Best social web news today:
@AppDotNet supports h-entry h-card rel=me #microformats2!
blog.app.net/2013/08/07/response-to-brennan-novak-part-ii
#osfw3c
@jasnell Google's market position makes them a bully when they go down their own path instead of working openly. #osfw3c
#osfw3c #Schema-org also sets a bad example in both forking #ActivityStreams and diverging /Person from IETF #vCard4.
#osfw3c Sam Goto asks is #schema good or bad?
Schema bad for open web, only allows publishing: http://tantek.com/2013/219/t19/osfw3c-contrast-microformats2-cc0-owfa-ogp-schema
#osfw3c contrast:
Open publish+consume:
* #microformats2: #CC0+#OWFa
* #OGP: #OWFa
Publish only:
* #Schema: http://schema.org/docs/terms.html
"they grant an option to receive a license under reasonable and non-discriminatory terms without royalty,
*solely for the purpose of including markup*
of structured data in a webpage"
[*emphasis* mine]
#osfw3c asked Google #Schema-org folks to use #OWFa license at their 2011 workshop. They refused. Schema is not open.
#osfw3c #Schema-org talk: is nonstarter for open web due to no RF patent license for consuming: schema.org/docs/terms.html
@ciberch if your spec is only adopted by intranet, it's intranet-only.
specs without open web traction fail. #osfw3c
@ciberch intranet-only (or centric) specs fail (WS-*).
Standards succeed in the open, then enterprise adopts.
#osfw3c
@ciberch thanks for G+ API link. Looks proprietary, based on but not actually ActivityStreams: http://indiewebcamp.com/Google%2B#Activities
@harryhalpin PuSH yes.
OGP? Who consumes besides FB (+ some Twitter)?
Rest are dead or intranet-only (dying).
#osfw3c
@ciberch which specs in what open web sites? URLs?
@harryhalpin intranet-only specs are as dead as ActiveX.
#osfw3c
Learned at #osfw3c:
@W3C should start a CG that can teach how to put HTML slides on the web instead of Powerpoint/PDF.
@annbass if someone does not know enough HTML to publish specs+slides, they know not enough to innovate on top #osfw3c
really wondering, who at #osfw3c actually ships code/products that create permalinks on the web vs. behind a firewall?
@annbass here's a good start:
indiewebcamp.com/social-standards
#microformats #hcard #hentry #webmention #xfn
#osfw3c
new rule: if you can't publish your *web* "standard" doc/spec in *HTML*, go learn HTML before trying to innovate. #osfw3c
@manusporny - am not going to link to a *PDF* about proposed *web* technologies (however bloated). #osfw3c
if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c
just learned about a #fatberg equivalent of web tech: Open Social + LinkedData/JSONLD + RDF. docs are in PDF. #osfw3c
made it to #osfw3c workshop. Those of us with our own #indieweb domains are writing them on our badges in red Sharpie.
day 1 of @W3C Social Standards Workshop. Disappointed that http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/ mentions mostly dead specs. #osfw3c
“it was a case of the past and the future mutually coexisting. And then the past just goes away” — @GreatDismal
http://www.theparisreview.org/interviews/6089/the-art-of-fiction-no-211-william-gibson
Brilliant summary of what we see so often in technology, standards, culture.
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